From steve at shank.net  Wed Jun 14 18:35:23 2017
From: steve at shank.net (steve at shank.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
Message-ID: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
  Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
  To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
  Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin


  Hi  Barbara,

  How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

  The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

  Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

  Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

  Cheers,

  Jeremy





  On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Dear Jeremy,

    Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
    Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
    .
    Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
    Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

    We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

    So happy you may be able to do it.

    Barbara Hansen

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


      Hi Barbara,

      That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

      Cheers,

      Jeremy

      On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

        7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 

        Barbara Hansen


        Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


        On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

          Hi Barbara,

          How long are the talks?

          How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
          "State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
          Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

          Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

          Thanks for following up on this,

          Cheers,

          Jeremy




          On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

            Hi Jeremy, 

            Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

            The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

            We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
            For dinner with members before the meeting at
            7:00.


            If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

            Cheers,
            Barbara Hansen
            V P GGCS
            415 332 1720


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

          -- 

          JEREMY SUTTON
          Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

          Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
          studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
          www.JeremySutton.com
          www.PaintboxTV.com
          jeremy at jeremysutton
          Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
          Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios




      -- 

      Jeremy Sutton Studios
      1890 Bryant Street #306
      San Francisco, CA 94110

      Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
      jeremy at jeremysutton.com

      JeremySutton.com
      PaintboxTV.com








  -- 

  Jeremy Sutton Studios
  1890 Bryant Street #306
  San Francisco, CA 94110

  Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
  jeremy at jeremysutton.com

  JeremySutton.com
  PaintboxTV.com



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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 14 19:03:16 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 00:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
Message-ID: <214915562.2244914.1497484996779@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm not prepared to approve an honorarium for presenters at this time. Also, it seems a topic more appropriate for the Camera Club, who dominated our last GGCS meeting.
Heinz

      From: "steve at shank.net" <steve at shank.net>
 To: Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:36 PM
 Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
 Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


 From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



   Hi? Barbara, ? How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! ? The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video. ? Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. ? Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ? ?  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  Dear Jeremy, ? Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also Might touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. . Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about  Two weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement. ? We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. ? So happy you may be able to do it. ? Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad 
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

 
   Hi Barbara, ? That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? ? Cheers, ? Jeremy  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. ? Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote: 
   Hi Barbara, ? How long are the talks? ? How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- "State of the Art: Paint without Limits" Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" ? Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. ? Thanks for following up on this, ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ?   ?  On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 Hi Jeremy, ? Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? ? The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. ? We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 For dinner with members before the meeting at 7:00. ? ? If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. ? Cheers, Barbara Hansen V P GGCS 415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 -- 
 JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    


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From bcbloch at juno.com  Thu Jun 15 13:58:09 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:58:09 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170615.115809.13876.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From nepenthium at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 15:18:15 2017
From: nepenthium at comcast.net (nepenthium at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
Message-ID: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction: 
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members. 
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee. 
I agree; we need to discuss this. 

Mike 

----- Original Message -----

From: steve at shank.net 
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM 
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 

Hi Barbara, 
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve ( ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org ) rather than just Babette, Mike and me. 
I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group. 
Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club. 
Other comments, please. 
Steve 
From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM 
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 
Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time. Here are his speech topics and suggested fee. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

Begin forwarded message: 




From: Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > 
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT 
To: Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > 
Cc: Babette Bloch < bcbloch at juno.com >, "Shank steve at shank.net " < Steve at shank.net >, Mike Hancock < nepenthium at comcast.net > 
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin 




<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! 
The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017 ) - I could just show this video. 
Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. 
Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Dear Jeremy, 
Your subject ideas sound exciting. We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose. Certainly your live portrait and dance are popular. What is VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also 
Might touch on a few other apps. Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. 
. 
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
Two weeks to decide. Right now I do not have a replacement. 
We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for. Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. 
So happy you may be able to do it. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 


<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 
Barbara Hansen 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 



On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 
<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How long are the talks? 
How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- 
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits" 
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" 
Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. 
Thanks for following up on this, 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Hi Jeremy, 
Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? 
The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. 
We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 
For dinner with members before the meeting at 
7:00. 
If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. 
Cheers, 
Barbara Hansen 
V P GGCS 
415 332 1720 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 

</blockquote>

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON 
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter 

Jeremy Sutton Studios 1890 Bryant Street, #306 San Francisco CA 94110 
studio / 415.641.1221 mobile / 415.626.3971 
www.JeremySutton.com 
www.PaintboxTV.com 
jeremy at jeremysutton 
Twitter & Instagram: @jeremydsutton 
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 

<blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 15:28:41 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>,
	<1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BY2PR15MB0150A6EC22243F1A44C5DD09A0C00@BY2PR15MB0150.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

FYI. I'm not get any of the previous messages on this or the ones about DriveSavers!
I only see the reply from Mike on this one.

Marcelino
Sent from my iPhone
Any errors can be attributed to autocomplete and or Siri.

On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:18 PM, "nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>" <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>> wrote:

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 22:27:05 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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Babette,


Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino

________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 22:39:29 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.

It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.

It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!

Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.

Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
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Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 15 23:18:28 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.
Heinz

      From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
#yiv3581265183 #yiv3581265183 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3581265183 I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings?that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers?services, in special cases, we could consider that.It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.Marcelino


From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.I agree; we need to discuss this.
Mike
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shanksteve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



Hi? Barbara,?How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!?The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.?Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.?Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.?Cheers,?Jeremy?????On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Jeremy,?Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You alsoMight touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed..Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you aboutTwo weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement.?We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.?So happy you may be able to do it.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


Hi Barbara,?That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date??Cheers,?Jeremy?On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.?Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,?How long are the talks??How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"?Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.?Thanks for following up on this,?Cheers,?Jeremy????On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jeremy,?Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017??The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.?We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30For dinner with members before the meeting at7:00.??If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.?Cheers,Barbara HansenV P GGCS415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.comJeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
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PaintboxTV.com



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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 10:28:33 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:28:33 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.082833.18437.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation. I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look. bb

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From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000


Babette,

 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
 
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 11:27:06 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I disagree!  Members pay dues which go towards running the club.  If there is an expense for a presenter that should be covered.


Finding "free" presenters is not like it was 20 years ago where every vendor wanted to get their name out and had P/R budgets to send people out to us.


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of Heinz Scheuenstuhl <heinzs at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.

Heinz


________________________________
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.
It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.
It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!
Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.
Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
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Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.jeremysutton.com/>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.paintboxtv.com/>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



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Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
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JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://paintboxtv.com/>





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Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
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From jblavigne at msn.com  Fri Jun 16 12:50:31 2017
From: jblavigne at msn.com (Joe B. Lavigne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?

Joe

From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.

I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.

bb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000

Babette,



Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino
________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 13:22:42 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:22:42 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.112242.28971.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>


He was a presenter before, I think, without charging. Once we start an honorarium, we can't really not offer it if we want him again. I agree with Joe about letting him sell his classes, or give a class at our classroom like the Gulds do.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Joe B. Lavigne" <jblavigne at msn.com>
To: 'List for the Presentations Committee' <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000


His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?
 
Joe
 
From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
 To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.
 
I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.
 
bb
 
 ---------- Original Message ----------
 From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Babette,
 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To:  GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic. 
 
Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?
 
As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 20 16:12:57 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:12:57 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:(415)%20459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:(415)%20332-1720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From bearba2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 18:26:21 2017
From: bearba2 at yahoo.com (Barbara Hansen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.
Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive?Savers is not an option let's just hang this. ?

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.




Thanks,
Marcelino



P.S. ?Please keep this thread in the?Presentations list. ?I have also changed the subject like. ?We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.

From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!? :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and?Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.? I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.? I think it will be a good topic.




The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.




Thanks,

Marcelino


From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100
Russ

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com> wrote:


I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.? It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.




We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.




We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.




Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!




Thanks,
Marcelino


From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?
Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?

?

From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org]On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

?

?

Dear Board Members,

?

As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting. ? The dead line for the?

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.

?

I have been talking withJeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating?

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.

?

He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.

?

His topics for the night would be:


* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.

?

* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad

?

* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

?

* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see?https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017)

|  | Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...jeremysutton.comThis video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush. |





?

?

?His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.

?


I hope he will agree to come ?to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.?

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.

?

I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend ?as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.

??

We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.

?

Please respond with your vote on this matter ?yes or no.

?

Sincerely,

?

Barbara Hansen ?GGCS VP ?415 332 1720

Bearba2 at yahoo.com?

?

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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 21 10:47:52 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:47:52 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Thank you.

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro; Jeff Mulanax; Steve Shank
Cc: GGCS Presentations Committee Presentations
Subject: Re: Drive Savers Presentation

I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:415-459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From steve at shank.net  Wed Jun 14 17:35:23 2017
From: steve at shank.net (steve at shank.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
Message-ID: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
  Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
  To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
  Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin


  Hi  Barbara,

  How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

  The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

  Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

  Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

  Cheers,

  Jeremy





  On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Dear Jeremy,

    Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
    Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
    .
    Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
    Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

    We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

    So happy you may be able to do it.

    Barbara Hansen

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


      Hi Barbara,

      That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

      Cheers,

      Jeremy

      On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

        7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 

        Barbara Hansen


        Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


        On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

          Hi Barbara,

          How long are the talks?

          How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
          "State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
          Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

          Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

          Thanks for following up on this,

          Cheers,

          Jeremy




          On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

            Hi Jeremy, 

            Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

            The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

            We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
            For dinner with members before the meeting at
            7:00.


            If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

            Cheers,
            Barbara Hansen
            V P GGCS
            415 332 1720


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

          -- 

          JEREMY SUTTON
          Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

          Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
          studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
          www.JeremySutton.com
          www.PaintboxTV.com
          jeremy at jeremysutton
          Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
          Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios




      -- 

      Jeremy Sutton Studios
      1890 Bryant Street #306
      San Francisco, CA 94110

      Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
      jeremy at jeremysutton.com

      JeremySutton.com
      PaintboxTV.com








  -- 

  Jeremy Sutton Studios
  1890 Bryant Street #306
  San Francisco, CA 94110

  Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
  jeremy at jeremysutton.com

  JeremySutton.com
  PaintboxTV.com



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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 14 18:03:16 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 00:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
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I'm not prepared to approve an honorarium for presenters at this time. Also, it seems a topic more appropriate for the Camera Club, who dominated our last GGCS meeting.
Heinz

      From: "steve at shank.net" <steve at shank.net>
 To: Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:36 PM
 Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
 Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


 From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



   Hi? Barbara, ? How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! ? The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video. ? Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. ? Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ? ?  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  Dear Jeremy, ? Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also Might touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. . Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about  Two weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement. ? We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. ? So happy you may be able to do it. ? Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad 
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

 
   Hi Barbara, ? That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? ? Cheers, ? Jeremy  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. ? Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote: 
   Hi Barbara, ? How long are the talks? ? How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- "State of the Art: Paint without Limits" Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" ? Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. ? Thanks for following up on this, ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ?   ?  On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 Hi Jeremy, ? Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? ? The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. ? We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 For dinner with members before the meeting at 7:00. ? ? If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. ? Cheers, Barbara Hansen V P GGCS 415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 -- 
 JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    


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From bcbloch at juno.com  Thu Jun 15 12:58:09 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:58:09 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170615.115809.13876.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From nepenthium at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 14:18:15 2017
From: nepenthium at comcast.net (nepenthium at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
Message-ID: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction: 
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members. 
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee. 
I agree; we need to discuss this. 

Mike 

----- Original Message -----

From: steve at shank.net 
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM 
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 

Hi Barbara, 
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve ( ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org ) rather than just Babette, Mike and me. 
I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group. 
Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club. 
Other comments, please. 
Steve 
From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM 
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 
Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time. Here are his speech topics and suggested fee. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

Begin forwarded message: 




From: Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > 
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT 
To: Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > 
Cc: Babette Bloch < bcbloch at juno.com >, "Shank steve at shank.net " < Steve at shank.net >, Mike Hancock < nepenthium at comcast.net > 
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin 




<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! 
The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017 ) - I could just show this video. 
Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. 
Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Dear Jeremy, 
Your subject ideas sound exciting. We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose. Certainly your live portrait and dance are popular. What is VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also 
Might touch on a few other apps. Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. 
. 
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
Two weeks to decide. Right now I do not have a replacement. 
We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for. Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. 
So happy you may be able to do it. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 


<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 
Barbara Hansen 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 



On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 
<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How long are the talks? 
How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- 
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits" 
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" 
Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. 
Thanks for following up on this, 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Hi Jeremy, 
Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? 
The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. 
We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 
For dinner with members before the meeting at 
7:00. 
If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. 
Cheers, 
Barbara Hansen 
V P GGCS 
415 332 1720 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 

</blockquote>

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON 
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter 

Jeremy Sutton Studios 1890 Bryant Street, #306 San Francisco CA 94110 
studio / 415.641.1221 mobile / 415.626.3971 
www.JeremySutton.com 
www.PaintboxTV.com 
jeremy at jeremysutton 
Twitter & Instagram: @jeremydsutton 
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 

<blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


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1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


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1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 14:28:41 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>,
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FYI. I'm not get any of the previous messages on this or the ones about DriveSavers!
I only see the reply from Mike on this one.

Marcelino
Sent from my iPhone
Any errors can be attributed to autocomplete and or Siri.

On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:18 PM, "nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>" <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>> wrote:

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>



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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:27:05 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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Babette,


Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino

________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:39:29 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>,
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I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.

It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.

It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!

Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.

Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>



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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 15 22:18:28 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.
Heinz

      From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
#yiv3581265183 #yiv3581265183 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3581265183 I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings?that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers?services, in special cases, we could consider that.It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.Marcelino


From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.I agree; we need to discuss this.
Mike
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shanksteve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



Hi? Barbara,?How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!?The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.?Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.?Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.?Cheers,?Jeremy?????On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Jeremy,?Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You alsoMight touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed..Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you aboutTwo weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement.?We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.?So happy you may be able to do it.?Barbara Hansen

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On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


Hi Barbara,?That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date??Cheers,?Jeremy?On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.?Barbara Hansen


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On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,?How long are the talks??How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"?Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.?Thanks for following up on this,?Cheers,?Jeremy????On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jeremy,?Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017??The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.?We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30For dinner with members before the meeting at7:00.??If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.?Cheers,Barbara HansenV P GGCS415 332 1720


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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 09:28:33 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:28:33 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.082833.18437.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation. I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look. bb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000


Babette,

 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
 
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 10:27:06 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I disagree!  Members pay dues which go towards running the club.  If there is an expense for a presenter that should be covered.


Finding "free" presenters is not like it was 20 years ago where every vendor wanted to get their name out and had P/R budgets to send people out to us.


Thanks,
Marcelino


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From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of Heinz Scheuenstuhl <heinzs at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.

Heinz


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From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.
It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.
It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!
Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.
Marcelino



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From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720


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San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.jeremysutton.com/>
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From jblavigne at msn.com  Fri Jun 16 11:50:31 2017
From: jblavigne at msn.com (Joe B. Lavigne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?

Joe

From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.

I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.

bb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000

Babette,



Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino
________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 12:22:42 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:22:42 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.112242.28971.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>


He was a presenter before, I think, without charging. Once we start an honorarium, we can't really not offer it if we want him again. I agree with Joe about letting him sell his classes, or give a class at our classroom like the Gulds do.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Joe B. Lavigne" <jblavigne at msn.com>
To: 'List for the Presentations Committee' <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000


His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?
 
Joe
 
From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
 To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.
 
I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.
 
bb
 
 ---------- Original Message ----------
 From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Babette,
 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To:  GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic. 
 
Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?
 
As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 20 15:12:57 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:12:57 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:(415)%20459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:(415)%20332-1720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From bearba2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 17:26:21 2017
From: bearba2 at yahoo.com (Barbara Hansen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.
Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive?Savers is not an option let's just hang this. ?

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.




Thanks,
Marcelino



P.S. ?Please keep this thread in the?Presentations list. ?I have also changed the subject like. ?We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.

From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!? :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and?Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.? I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.? I think it will be a good topic.




The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.




Thanks,

Marcelino


From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100
Russ

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com> wrote:


I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.? It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.




We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.




We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.




Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!




Thanks,
Marcelino


From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?
Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?

?

From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org]On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

?

?

Dear Board Members,

?

As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting. ? The dead line for the?

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.

?

I have been talking withJeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating?

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.

?

He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.

?

His topics for the night would be:


* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.

?

* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad

?

* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

?

* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see?https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017)

|  | Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...jeremysutton.comThis video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush. |





?

?

?His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.

?


I hope he will agree to come ?to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.?

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.

?

I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend ?as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.

??

We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.

?

Please respond with your vote on this matter ?yes or no.

?

Sincerely,

?

Barbara Hansen ?GGCS VP ?415 332 1720

Bearba2 at yahoo.com?

?

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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:47:52 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:47:52 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Thank you.

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro; Jeff Mulanax; Steve Shank
Cc: GGCS Presentations Committee Presentations
Subject: Re: Drive Savers Presentation

I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:415-459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From steve at shank.net  Wed Jun 14 17:35:23 2017
From: steve at shank.net (steve at shank.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
Message-ID: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
  Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
  To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
  Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin


  Hi  Barbara,

  How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

  The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

  Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

  Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

  Cheers,

  Jeremy





  On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Dear Jeremy,

    Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
    Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
    .
    Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
    Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

    We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

    So happy you may be able to do it.

    Barbara Hansen

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


      Hi Barbara,

      That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

      Cheers,

      Jeremy

      On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

        7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 

        Barbara Hansen


        Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


        On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

          Hi Barbara,

          How long are the talks?

          How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
          "State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
          Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

          Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

          Thanks for following up on this,

          Cheers,

          Jeremy




          On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

            Hi Jeremy, 

            Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

            The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

            We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
            For dinner with members before the meeting at
            7:00.


            If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

            Cheers,
            Barbara Hansen
            V P GGCS
            415 332 1720


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

          -- 

          JEREMY SUTTON
          Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

          Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
          studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
          www.JeremySutton.com
          www.PaintboxTV.com
          jeremy at jeremysutton
          Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
          Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios




      -- 

      Jeremy Sutton Studios
      1890 Bryant Street #306
      San Francisco, CA 94110

      Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
      jeremy at jeremysutton.com

      JeremySutton.com
      PaintboxTV.com








  -- 

  Jeremy Sutton Studios
  1890 Bryant Street #306
  San Francisco, CA 94110

  Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
  jeremy at jeremysutton.com

  JeremySutton.com
  PaintboxTV.com



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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 14 18:03:16 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 00:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I'm not prepared to approve an honorarium for presenters at this time. Also, it seems a topic more appropriate for the Camera Club, who dominated our last GGCS meeting.
Heinz

      From: "steve at shank.net" <steve at shank.net>
 To: Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:36 PM
 Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
 Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


 From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



   Hi? Barbara, ? How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! ? The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video. ? Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. ? Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ? ?  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  Dear Jeremy, ? Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also Might touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. . Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about  Two weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement. ? We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. ? So happy you may be able to do it. ? Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad 
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

 
   Hi Barbara, ? That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? ? Cheers, ? Jeremy  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. ? Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote: 
   Hi Barbara, ? How long are the talks? ? How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- "State of the Art: Paint without Limits" Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" ? Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. ? Thanks for following up on this, ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ?   ?  On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 Hi Jeremy, ? Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? ? The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. ? We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 For dinner with members before the meeting at 7:00. ? ? If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. ? Cheers, Barbara Hansen V P GGCS 415 332 1720


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Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 





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San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    





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From bcbloch at juno.com  Thu Jun 15 12:58:09 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:58:09 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170615.115809.13876.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From nepenthium at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 14:18:15 2017
From: nepenthium at comcast.net (nepenthium at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction: 
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members. 
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee. 
I agree; we need to discuss this. 

Mike 

----- Original Message -----

From: steve at shank.net 
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM 
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 

Hi Barbara, 
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve ( ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org ) rather than just Babette, Mike and me. 
I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group. 
Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club. 
Other comments, please. 
Steve 
From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM 
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 
Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time. Here are his speech topics and suggested fee. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

Begin forwarded message: 




From: Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > 
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT 
To: Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > 
Cc: Babette Bloch < bcbloch at juno.com >, "Shank steve at shank.net " < Steve at shank.net >, Mike Hancock < nepenthium at comcast.net > 
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin 




<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! 
The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017 ) - I could just show this video. 
Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. 
Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Dear Jeremy, 
Your subject ideas sound exciting. We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose. Certainly your live portrait and dance are popular. What is VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also 
Might touch on a few other apps. Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. 
. 
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
Two weeks to decide. Right now I do not have a replacement. 
We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for. Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. 
So happy you may be able to do it. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 


<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 
Barbara Hansen 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 



On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 
<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How long are the talks? 
How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- 
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits" 
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" 
Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. 
Thanks for following up on this, 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Hi Jeremy, 
Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? 
The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. 
We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 
For dinner with members before the meeting at 
7:00. 
If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. 
Cheers, 
Barbara Hansen 
V P GGCS 
415 332 1720 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 

</blockquote>

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON 
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter 

Jeremy Sutton Studios 1890 Bryant Street, #306 San Francisco CA 94110 
studio / 415.641.1221 mobile / 415.626.3971 
www.JeremySutton.com 
www.PaintboxTV.com 
jeremy at jeremysutton 
Twitter & Instagram: @jeremydsutton 
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 

<blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 14:28:41 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>,
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FYI. I'm not get any of the previous messages on this or the ones about DriveSavers!
I only see the reply from Mike on this one.

Marcelino
Sent from my iPhone
Any errors can be attributed to autocomplete and or Siri.

On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:18 PM, "nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>" <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>> wrote:

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>



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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:27:05 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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Babette,


Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino

________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:39:29 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.

It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.

It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!

Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.

Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


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San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



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1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





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1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 15 22:18:28 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.
Heinz

      From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
#yiv3581265183 #yiv3581265183 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3581265183 I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings?that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers?services, in special cases, we could consider that.It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.Marcelino


From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.I agree; we need to discuss this.
Mike
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shanksteve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



Hi? Barbara,?How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!?The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.?Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.?Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.?Cheers,?Jeremy?????On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Jeremy,?Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You alsoMight touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed..Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you aboutTwo weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement.?We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.?So happy you may be able to do it.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


Hi Barbara,?That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date??Cheers,?Jeremy?On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.?Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,?How long are the talks??How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"?Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.?Thanks for following up on this,?Cheers,?Jeremy????On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jeremy,?Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017??The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.?We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30For dinner with members before the meeting at7:00.??If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.?Cheers,Barbara HansenV P GGCS415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

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Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.comJeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.comJeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com



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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 09:28:33 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:28:33 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.082833.18437.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation. I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look. bb

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From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000


Babette,

 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
 
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 10:27:06 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I disagree!  Members pay dues which go towards running the club.  If there is an expense for a presenter that should be covered.


Finding "free" presenters is not like it was 20 years ago where every vendor wanted to get their name out and had P/R budgets to send people out to us.


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of Heinz Scheuenstuhl <heinzs at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.

Heinz


________________________________
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.
It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.
It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!
Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.
Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.jeremysutton.com/>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.paintboxtv.com/>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--
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1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110
Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://paintboxtv.com/>





--
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110
Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
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From jblavigne at msn.com  Fri Jun 16 11:50:31 2017
From: jblavigne at msn.com (Joe B. Lavigne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?

Joe

From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.

I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.

bb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000

Babette,



Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino
________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 12:22:42 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:22:42 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.112242.28971.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>


He was a presenter before, I think, without charging. Once we start an honorarium, we can't really not offer it if we want him again. I agree with Joe about letting him sell his classes, or give a class at our classroom like the Gulds do.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Joe B. Lavigne" <jblavigne at msn.com>
To: 'List for the Presentations Committee' <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000


His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?
 
Joe
 
From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
 To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.
 
I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.
 
bb
 
 ---------- Original Message ----------
 From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Babette,
 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To:  GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic. 
 
Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?
 
As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 20 15:12:57 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:12:57 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:(415)%20459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:(415)%20332-1720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From bearba2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 17:26:21 2017
From: bearba2 at yahoo.com (Barbara Hansen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.
Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive?Savers is not an option let's just hang this. ?

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.




Thanks,
Marcelino



P.S. ?Please keep this thread in the?Presentations list. ?I have also changed the subject like. ?We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.

From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!? :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and?Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.? I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.? I think it will be a good topic.




The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.




Thanks,

Marcelino


From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100
Russ

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com> wrote:


I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.? It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.




We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.




We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.




Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!




Thanks,
Marcelino


From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?
Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?

?

From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org]On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

?

?

Dear Board Members,

?

As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting. ? The dead line for the?

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.

?

I have been talking withJeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating?

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.

?

He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.

?

His topics for the night would be:


* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.

?

* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad

?

* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

?

* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see?https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017)

|  | Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...jeremysutton.comThis video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush. |





?

?

?His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.

?


I hope he will agree to come ?to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.?

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.

?

I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend ?as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.

??

We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.

?

Please respond with your vote on this matter ?yes or no.

?

Sincerely,

?

Barbara Hansen ?GGCS VP ?415 332 1720

Bearba2 at yahoo.com?

?

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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:47:52 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:47:52 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Thank you.

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro; Jeff Mulanax; Steve Shank
Cc: GGCS Presentations Committee Presentations
Subject: Re: Drive Savers Presentation

I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:415-459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From steve at shank.net  Wed Jun 14 17:35:23 2017
From: steve at shank.net (steve at shank.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
Message-ID: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
  Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
  To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
  Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin


  Hi  Barbara,

  How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

  The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

  Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

  Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

  Cheers,

  Jeremy





  On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Dear Jeremy,

    Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
    Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
    .
    Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
    Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

    We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

    So happy you may be able to do it.

    Barbara Hansen

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


      Hi Barbara,

      That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

      Cheers,

      Jeremy

      On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

        7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 

        Barbara Hansen


        Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


        On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

          Hi Barbara,

          How long are the talks?

          How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
          "State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
          Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

          Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

          Thanks for following up on this,

          Cheers,

          Jeremy




          On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

            Hi Jeremy, 

            Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

            The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

            We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
            For dinner with members before the meeting at
            7:00.


            If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

            Cheers,
            Barbara Hansen
            V P GGCS
            415 332 1720


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

          -- 

          JEREMY SUTTON
          Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

          Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
          studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
          www.JeremySutton.com
          www.PaintboxTV.com
          jeremy at jeremysutton
          Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
          Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios




      -- 

      Jeremy Sutton Studios
      1890 Bryant Street #306
      San Francisco, CA 94110

      Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
      jeremy at jeremysutton.com

      JeremySutton.com
      PaintboxTV.com








  -- 

  Jeremy Sutton Studios
  1890 Bryant Street #306
  San Francisco, CA 94110

  Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
  jeremy at jeremysutton.com

  JeremySutton.com
  PaintboxTV.com



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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 14 18:03:16 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 00:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
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I'm not prepared to approve an honorarium for presenters at this time. Also, it seems a topic more appropriate for the Camera Club, who dominated our last GGCS meeting.
Heinz

      From: "steve at shank.net" <steve at shank.net>
 To: Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:36 PM
 Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
 Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


 From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shank steve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



   Hi? Barbara, ? How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! ? The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video. ? Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. ? Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ? ?  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
  Dear Jeremy, ? Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also Might touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. . Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about  Two weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement. ? We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. ? So happy you may be able to do it. ? Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad 
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:

 
   Hi Barbara, ? That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? ? Cheers, ? Jeremy  ? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. ? Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote: 
   Hi Barbara, ? How long are the talks? ? How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- "State of the Art: Paint without Limits" Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" ? Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. ? Thanks for following up on this, ? Cheers, ? Jeremy ? ? ?   ?  On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 Hi Jeremy, ? Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? ? The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. ? We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 For dinner with members before the meeting at 7:00. ? ? If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. ? Cheers, Barbara Hansen V P GGCS 415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 -- 
 JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    





 ?-- 
                    Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110 Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com JeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com    


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From bcbloch at juno.com  Thu Jun 15 12:58:09 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:58:09 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170615.115809.13876.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From nepenthium at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 14:18:15 2017
From: nepenthium at comcast.net (nepenthium at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>
Message-ID: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction: 
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members. 
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee. 
I agree; we need to discuss this. 

Mike 

----- Original Message -----

From: steve at shank.net 
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM 
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 

Hi Barbara, 
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve ( ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org ) rather than just Babette, Mike and me. 
I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group. 
Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club. 
Other comments, please. 
Steve 
From: Barbara Hansen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM 
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock 
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24 
Hi folks 
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time. Here are his speech topics and suggested fee. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

Begin forwarded message: 




From: Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > 
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT 
To: Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > 
Cc: Babette Bloch < bcbloch at juno.com >, "Shank steve at shank.net " < Steve at shank.net >, Mike Hancock < nepenthium at comcast.net > 
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin 




<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)! 
The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017 ) - I could just show this video. 
Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500. 
Let's plan to confirm by June 25th. 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Dear Jeremy, 
Your subject ideas sound exciting. We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose. Certainly your live portrait and dance are popular. What is VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also 
Might touch on a few other apps. Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed. 
. 
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about 
Two weeks to decide. Right now I do not have a replacement. 
We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for. Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do. 
So happy you may be able to do it. 
Barbara Hansen 

Sent from my iPad 

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 


<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date? 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A. 
Barbara Hansen 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 



On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton < jeremy at jeremysutton.com > wrote: 
<blockquote>

Hi Barbara, 
How long are the talks? 
How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:- 
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits" 
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times" 
Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium. 
Thanks for following up on this, 
Cheers, 
Jeremy 
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen < bearba2 at yahoo.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>

Hi Jeremy, 
Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017? 
The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again. 
We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30 
For dinner with members before the meeting at 
7:00. 
If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov. 
Cheers, 
Barbara Hansen 
V P GGCS 
415 332 1720 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 

</blockquote>

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON 
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter 

Jeremy Sutton Studios 1890 Bryant Street, #306 San Francisco CA 94110 
studio / 415.641.1221 mobile / 415.626.3971 
www.JeremySutton.com 
www.PaintboxTV.com 
jeremy at jeremysutton 
Twitter & Instagram: @jeremydsutton 
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios 

<blockquote>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



</blockquote>


</blockquote>



-- 


Jeremy Sutton Studios 
1890 Bryant Street #306 
San Francisco, CA 94110 

Studio: 415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971 
jeremy at jeremysutton.com 

JeremySutton.com 
PaintboxTV.com 



</blockquote>


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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 14:28:41 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
In-Reply-To: <1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <5F230EDB58554C5C9DAFB51E1CC3ED3E@SFS>,
	<1552065733.53325083.1497557895023.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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FYI. I'm not get any of the previous messages on this or the ones about DriveSavers!
I only see the reply from Mike on this one.

Marcelino
Sent from my iPhone
Any errors can be attributed to autocomplete and or Siri.

On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:18 PM, "nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>" <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>> wrote:

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


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Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



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1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





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Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:27:05 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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Babette,


Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino

________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:39:29 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.

It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.

It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!

Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.

Marcelino



________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>
--
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221<tel:415.641.1221>  mobile / 415.626.3971<tel:415.626.3971>
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.JeremySutton.com>
www.PaintboxTV.com<http://www.PaintboxTV.com>
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios



--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
PaintboxTV.com<http://PaintboxTV.com>





--

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110

Studio: 415.641.1221<tel:(415)%20641-1221> , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>

JeremySutton.com<https://jeremysutton.com/>
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From heinzs at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 15 22:18:28 2017
From: heinzs at yahoo.com (Heinz Scheuenstuhl)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.
Heinz

      From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24
   
#yiv3581265183 #yiv3581265183 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv3581265183 I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings?that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers?services, in special cases, we could consider that.It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.Marcelino


From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.I agree; we need to discuss this.
Mike
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.?I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.?Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.?Other comments, please.?Steve?From: Barbara Hansen Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PMTo: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch ; Mike Hancock Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24?Hi folks Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.? Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:


From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>, "Shanksteve at shank.net" <Steve at shank.net>,? Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin



Hi? Barbara,?How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!?The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.?Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.?Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.?Cheers,?Jeremy?????On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Jeremy,?Your subject ideas sound exciting.? We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.? Certainly your live portrait? and dance are popular. What is? VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You alsoMight touch on a few other apps.? Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed..Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you aboutTwo weeks to decide.? Right now I do not have a replacement.?We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.? Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.?So happy you may be able to do it.?Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:


Hi Barbara,?That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date??Cheers,?Jeremy?On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.?Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,?How long are the talks??How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"?Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.?Thanks for following up on this,?Cheers,?Jeremy????On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jeremy,?Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017??The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.?We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30For dinner with members before the meeting at7:00.??If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.?Cheers,Barbara HansenV P GGCS415 332 1720


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

-- 
JEREMY SUTTON
Artist, Educator, Live Event Painter

Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221? mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com
www.PaintboxTV.com
jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:? @jeremydsutton
Facebook: JeremySuttonStudios





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.comJeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com





?-- 
Jeremy Sutton Studios
1890 Bryant Street #306
San Francisco, CA 94110Studio:415.641.1221 , Mobile: 415.626.3971
jeremy at jeremysutton.comJeremySutton.com
PaintboxTV.com



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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 09:28:33 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:28:33 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.082833.18437.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation. I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look. bb

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From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000


Babette,

 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
 
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.  Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it? As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 10:27:06 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM
 meeting July 24
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I disagree!  Members pay dues which go towards running the club.  If there is an expense for a presenter that should be covered.


Finding "free" presenters is not like it was 20 years ago where every vendor wanted to get their name out and had P/R budgets to send people out to us.


Thanks,
Marcelino


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From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of Heinz Scheuenstuhl <heinzs at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

If we pay a honorarium for a speaker, then EVERY attendee at the meeting should pay the $5.

Heinz


________________________________
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
To: List for the Presentations Committee <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

I thought we had decided at one of the board meetings that if we needed to pay a presenter for his/hers services, in special cases, we could consider that.
It is true that this topic would be more photo related but look at how many "photo" GMs we have had over the years.
It also seems to me that most photo enthusiasts are way more active in going to events than the "computer geeks"!
Let's take a closer look at this and not dismiss it right off the bat.
Marcelino



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From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of nepenthium at comcast.net <nepenthium at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:18 PM
To: List for the Presentations Committee
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Since it was addressed to me, here's my reaction:
Given that we have a huge reserve, I think it is a good idea to pay for a really good speaker; however, Steve's point is well taken: this would not be a presentation to attract GGCS members, and is probably of little interest to any, other than to specialized MPC and MPC/GGCS members.
While our GGCS Digital presentation is aimed at advanced photographers, those photographers are primarily MPC and MPC/GGCS members, and the vast majority of our speakers are also MPC/GGCS members, and none of them gets a fee.
I agree; we need to discuss this.

Mike

________________________________
From: steve at shank.net
To: "Presentations Committee" <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Fw: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi Barbara,
Please send requests like this to the Presentations listserve (ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>) rather than just Babette, Mike and me.

I'm not sure how to react to the honorarium. On the one hand he's a good speaker and I admired much of his work, and an honorarium is probably necessary to get him. But perhaps we should think of a policy first before paying an individual. On the other hand, his talk is aimed at the pro-sumer and above as far as tips are concerned. I for one am not in that group.

Also, I was surprised at how few GGCS members turned out for the iPhonography class compared to Marin Photo Club.

Other comments, please.

Steve

From: Barbara Hansen<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:36 PM
To: mailto:Steve at shank.net ; Babette Bloch<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com> ; Mike Hancock<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>
Subject: Jeremy Sutton possible appearance GM meeting July 24

Hi folks
Could we come up with 100. Dollars for this fine professional speaker who came for nothing last time.  Here are his speech topics and suggested fee.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>>
Date: June 12, 2017 at 5:13:12 PM PDT
To: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Babette Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>, "Shank steve at shank.net<mailto:steve at shank.net>" <Steve at shank.net<mailto:Steve at shank.net>>,  Mike Hancock <nepenthium at comcast.net<mailto:nepenthium at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: Request for presentation in Marin

Hi  Barbara,

How about 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc. Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

The Tilt Brush is a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017) - I could just show this video.

Re honorarium, dinner for Peggy and I would be appreciated. If the numbers allow offering a payment that is always welcome. For talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria have typically been in the range $100 - $500.

Let's plan to confirm by June 25th.

Cheers,

Jeremy





On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Jeremy,

Your subject ideas sound exciting.  We certainly are in revolutionary times. Too much depth would not be practical I suppose.  Certainly your live portrait  and dance are popular. What is  VR google tilt brush? I like the idea of Painter vs Procreate. You also
Might touch on a few other apps.  Our last speaker emphasized Snapseed.
.
Confirmation wise I need to publicize starting on June 26, so that only gives you about
Two weeks to decide.  Right now I do not have a replacement.

We normally only treat our speakers to dinner, but we have discussed raising a larger amount which I will push for.  Tell me what you normally get as a bargaining point for me and I will see what I can do.

So happy you may be able to do it.

Barbara Hansen

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

That's a good duration. What did you think of my proposed topic? Do you think that will be covering too much and your audience would prefer a tighter, deeper session? What is the latest you nee confirmation regarding the date?

Cheers,

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
7:30 to 9:00 including Q and A.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>

On Sunday, June 11, 2017, 12:28 PM, Jeremy Sutton <jeremy at jeremysutton.com<mailto:jeremy at jeremysutton.com>> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

How long are the talks?

How about comparing Painter on Mac/PC with Procreate on iPad, and, maybe, even a spot of VR Google Tilt Brush? Subject title could be the following:-
"State of the Art: Paint without Limits"
Subtitle "A Survey of Digital Paint in Revolutionary Times"

Monday, July 24th looks good so far. Can we pencil it in with firm confirmation nearer time? Please remind me of your GCS/MPC honorarium.

Thanks for following up on this,

Cheers,

Jeremy




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:52 PM Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:bearba2 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,

Would you be available to give a talk on Painter or iPad art on Mon night, 7 pm July 24, 2017?

The Goldengate Computer Society and the Marin Photo Club would love to have you back again.

We meet at a new. Meeting room next to Jason's Restaurant in Greenbrae at 5:30
For dinner with members before the meeting at
7:00.


If that date is not good for you, 4th Monday's are our meeting times thru Nov.

Cheers,
Barbara Hansen
V P GGCS
415 332 1720


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1890 Bryant Street, #306
San Francisco CA 94110
studio / 415.641.1221  mobile / 415.626.3971
www.JeremySutton.com<http://www.jeremysutton.com/>
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jeremy at jeremysutton
Twitter & Instagram:  @jeremydsutton
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From jblavigne at msn.com  Fri Jun 16 11:50:31 2017
From: jblavigne at msn.com (Joe B. Lavigne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
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His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?

Joe

From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.

I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.

bb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>>
To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000

Babette,



Where is the rest of this thread?

No idea what you are talking about!


Marcelino
________________________________
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com<mailto:bcbloch at juno.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org<mailto:GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker

I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic.

Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?

As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From bcbloch at juno.com  Fri Jun 16 12:22:42 2017
From: bcbloch at juno.com (B. Bloch)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:22:42 GMT
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Message-ID: <20170616.112242.28971.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>


He was a presenter before, I think, without charging. Once we start an honorarium, we can't really not offer it if we want him again. I agree with Joe about letting him sell his classes, or give a class at our classroom like the Gulds do.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Joe B. Lavigne" <jblavigne at msn.com>
To: 'List for the Presentations Committee' <ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:50:31 +0000


His email made the Honorarium sound optional, to me at least. The subjects seem more suited to a SIG or a class (for a fee) as was suggested. As an alternative to an Honorarium could he be given the opportunity to sell some products?
 
Joe
 
From: Ggcs-presentations [mailto:ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:29 AM
 To: ggcs-presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I think maybe Barbara posted the first message to Steering and replies went there.  Then Steve said the discussion should be on Presentations, and it shifted to this list. She asked if we could come up with a hundred dollars for his presentation.
 
I don't think I have the earlier message, but will look.
 
bb
 
 ---------- Original Message ----------
 From: Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com>
 To: "GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org" <GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org>
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:27:05 +0000
Babette,
 
Where is the rest of this thread?
No idea what you are talking about!
 
Marcelino
From: Ggcs-presentations <ggcs-presentations-bounces at ggcs.org> on behalf of B. Bloch <bcbloch at juno.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 11:58 AM
 To:  GGCS-Presentations at ggcs.org
 Subject: Re: [Ggcs-presentations] Honorarium for GM speaker
 
I  have to agree with Heinz and Steve that the topic might be more "pro" than I think most of our members are up to and that perhaps it's more of a Camera Club or SIG topic. 
 
Perhaps he could give a class in our classroom for a fee, the way the Gulds do, and we'd all profit from it?
 
As far as having more Camera Club attendees at our GM's, as long as they join or pay the five bucks, it's OK with me and gets more people familiar with our activities.
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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 20 15:12:57 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:12:57 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:(415)%20459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:(415)%20332-1720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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From bearba2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 17:26:21 2017
From: bearba2 at yahoo.com (Barbara Hansen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.
Barbara Hansen


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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive?Savers is not an option let's just hang this. ?

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.




Thanks,
Marcelino



P.S. ?Please keep this thread in the?Presentations list. ?I have also changed the subject like. ?We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.

From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!? :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and?Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.? I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.? I think it will be a good topic.




The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.




Thanks,

Marcelino


From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100
Russ

Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com> wrote:


I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:


John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.? It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.




We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.




We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.




Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!




Thanks,
Marcelino


From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering?
Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?

?

From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org]On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

?

?

Dear Board Members,

?

As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting. ? The dead line for the?

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.

?

I have been talking withJeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating?

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.

?

He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.

?

His topics for the night would be:


* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.

?

* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad

?

* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!

?

* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see?https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017)

|  | Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...jeremysutton.comThis video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush. |





?

?

?His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.

?


I hope he will agree to come ?to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.?

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.

?

I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend ?as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.

??

We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.

?

Please respond with your vote on this matter ?yes or no.

?

Sincerely,

?

Barbara Hansen ?GGCS VP ?415 332 1720

Bearba2 at yahoo.com?

?

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From mnogueiro at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:47:52 2017
From: mnogueiro at hotmail.com (Marcelino Nogueiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:47:52 +0000
Subject: [Ggcs-presentations] Drive Savers Presentation
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Thank you.

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Barbara Hansen <bearba2 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:26 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro; Jeff Mulanax; Steve Shank
Cc: GGCS Presentations Committee Presentations
Subject: Re: Drive Savers Presentation

I spoke to Jeff re Drive Savers and asked him to see if they can do Aug GM.

Barbara Hansen


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<https://yho.com/footer0>


On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:12 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com> wrote:

Steve or Barbara,

Can one of you please help Jeff with this?

Or if you both think that Drive Savers is not an option let's just hang this.

I have already expressed that I think it would be good but if it's a problem then forget about it.

In any case, please let Jeff know one way or another.


Thanks,
Marcelino


P.S.  Please keep this thread in the Presentations list.  I have also changed the subject like.  We need to keep these threads consistent and on subject.


________________________________
From: Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:45 PM
To: Marcelino Nogueiro
Cc: Russ; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Amazing!

Unless a GM date is offered I'm going to apologize and thank the various levels of authority at Drive Savers.

Thanks for positive responses from Mike and Russ!  :)

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

In a previous email I did ask Jeff to work with Barbara and Steve to make sure that the DriveSavers presentation would be set to an appropriate level for the members.  I hope that can be done without watering it down too much.  I think it will be a good topic.


The DriveSavers presentation would not be a replacement presentation for Jeremy but a presentation for a different month.


Thanks,

Marcelino


________________________________
From: Russ <retirednovato at comcast.net<mailto:retirednovato at comcast.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Jeff Mulanax
Cc: Marcelino Nogueiro; ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering

Why isn't anyone answering Jeff on Drive Savers that doesn't cost $100

Russ


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Jeff Mulanax <jeffmulanax at gmail.com<mailto:jeffmulanax at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can offer this date to Drive Savers? I need to know this morning.

Jeff
Tel:415-459-3278<tel:415-459-3278>

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Marcelino Nogueiro <mnogueiro at hotmail.com<mailto:mnogueiro at hotmail.com>> wrote:

John,

As I recall, at one of the board meetings, we decided that since it is becoming more and more of a challenge to get speakers, on occasion we might have to pay them.  It would require board approval and this is what Barbara has requested.


We do not have a specific criteria/guidelines at this point in time.

It was also pointed out that we do have the funds to be able to afford this, especially in this case which the speaker is only asking $100.


We do NOT have a speaker for next month so $100 to secure one seems reasonable.


Otherwise, forget the whole idea of paying anything and don't have a speaker for next month and perhaps we can just stop having a GM altogether!


Thanks,
Marcelino


________________________________
From: Ggcs-steering <ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.or g<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>> on behalf of John Foote <johnfoote at pacbell.net<mailto:johnfoote at pacbell.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: Re: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering


Do we have any guideline or strategy for when we are willing to pay presenters and when we are not, and if we pay, how much?



From: Ggcs-steering [mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces@ ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering-bounces at ggcs.org>] On Behalf Of B. Bloch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:49 AM
To: ggcs-steering at ggcs.org<mailto:ggcs-steering at ggcs.org>
Subject: [Ggcs-steering] Original Hansen Message to Steering





Dear Board Members,



As of now we have no speaker for the July 24 General Meeting.   The dead line for the

newsletter publicity is the last week in June.



I have been talking with Jeremy Sutton of Paintbox TV, who came over a year ago to a large crowd demonstrating

Corel's Painter and iPad art. He was very knowledgeable and entertaining, ending his performance with a Portrait of

our President Steve Traiger and a dance with a Marin Photo Club member.



He professionally performs all over the US and Europe for Corporationss with prof fees

He holds workshops and has a Web site called PaintboxTvcom.



His topics for the night would be:

* 30 minutes with a photo painting demo in latest version of Painter, showing clone workflow and some cool brushes etc.



* Then a 30 minute photo painting demo using Art Rage on iPad



* followed by 30 minute live portrait sketch demo using Procreate on iPad (plus final dance at end)!



* Show a video of the The Tilt Brush,a 3D VR paint program (see https://jeremysutton.com/ vr-vegas-2017<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>)

<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>

Jeremy Sutton Studios Google Tilt Brush ExperienceLas ...<https://jeremysutton.com/vr-vegas-2017>
jeremysutton.com<http://jeremysutton.com>
This video shares a virtual reality based performance at a corporate event in Las Vegas. The tools used included the Oculus Rift and Google Tilt Brush.







 His talks and presentations to clubs and societies the honoraria has typically been in the range $100 - $500.



I hope he will agree to come  to us perhaps for his minimal small group fee of $100.00 plus the dinner for him and his companion ,Peggy.

He cannot commit until June 25th if his other appearances permit, so I hope this will entice him.



I suggest, considering he came before for free, and that we are up against a time problem and that we spend  as much per month on Raffle Prizes,

that we agree to offer a $100 honorarium to him for his appearance.



We have discussed in Steering before and agreed to sometimes pay an amount to speakers for their time and efforts.



Please respond with your vote on this matter  yes or no.



Sincerely,



Barbara Hansen  GGCS VP  415 332 1720<tel:415%20332%201720>

Bearba2 at yahoo.com<mailto:Bearba2 at yahoo.com>



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